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optimalsleep
Unread post  Post subject: ResMed Aircurve 10 Vauto verses Aircurve 10 S  |  Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:27 pm

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how is Vauto better than S ?


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Variable pressure


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variable pressure meaning it ramps up and down verses S is set. So when is it necessary to have a Vauto verses having S? Or is it a luxury?


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The exhale breath pressure (EPAP) is fixed on the S machine but varies according to your needs on the VAuto. This is similar to the difference between an Airsense Elite and AutoSet.

Most people seem to get more comfortable and efficacious treatment with the auto, so I wouldn't see it as a luxury.

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most people seem to get more effective treatment? Either they do or they don't..... so it varies from person to person..... As of now I have a minimum start pressure of 8.5 cmH20 and APAP ramp of average 11 or 12 max. If I can adjust the minimum pressure and manage my OA, and minimize my CA.. then my APAP really isn't working the way it should. Most of the events are cleared with CPAP... at 8.5. I stopped there because I am shortly going on BPAP. The amount of CA doesn't warrant ASV. Just Bilevel S.

Just a little more aid on EPAP. So adjusting PS on both isn't that big a deal with an oximeter.


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Unread post  Post subject: Re: ResMed Aircurve 10 Vauto verses Aircurve 10 S  |  Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:49 am

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so convince me how a Vauto is better than S or APAP, other than algoritms.


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I'm missing something, so let me know....


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I believe the vAUTO can be used as VAUTO, S or CPAP....If you are buying an AirCurve, there is no reason NOT to purchase a VAUTO.


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LSAT wrote:
I believe the vAUTO can be used as VAUTO, S or CPAP....If you are buying an AirCurve, there is no reason NOT to purchase a VAUTO.



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I believe the vAUTO can be used as VAUTO, S or CPAP...


I know that.....

but I asked why vauto verses S? How is vauto, other than being auto ramping up or down like a APAP... to deal with events. I can adjust an S manually, how is Vauto better therapy, that I can adjust an S machine monitoring with an oximeter, and OSCAR.


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optimalsleep wrote:
so convince me how a Vauto is better than S or APAP, other than algoritms.


It's not our job to convince you of anything.

The VAuto can adjust pressures (EPAP) between set limits during the night, while you sleep. The S can't do that with or without an oximeter. If a S works for you, that's great. If not, the option of a VAuto is always there.

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The amount of CA doesn't warrant ASV. Just Bilevel S.


That is not the conventional wisdom. The bilevel machines are not designed to treat central apnea. I've just been perusing your thread on another forum where all this has been discussed with you in some detail. You may need a bilevel machine for other reasons but your central apnea index of 1.25 does not warrant any special consideration and definitely not an ASV.

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Respirator99 wrote:
optimalsleep wrote:
so convince me how a Vauto is better than S or APAP, other than algoritms.


It's not our job to convince you of anything.

The VAuto can adjust pressures (EPAP) between set limits during the night, while you sleep. The S can't do that with or without an oximeter. If a S works for you, that's great. If not, the option of a VAuto is always there.

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The amount of CA doesn't warrant ASV. Just Bilevel S.


That is not the conventional wisdom. The bilevel machines are not designed to treat central apnea. I've just been perusing your thread on another forum where all this has been discussed with you in some detail. You may need a bilevel machine for other reasons but your central apnea index of 1.25 does not warrant any special consideration and definitely not an ASV.



An ASV is a bilevel machine....

ResMed web site...

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AirCurve 10 S and AirCurve 10 VAuto both treat obstructive sleep apnea, while AirCurve 10 ASV treats central sleep apnea

moderate to severe....

But that's not my initial question. Why is a Vauto better therapy than the S machine was my initial question.

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Most people seem to get more comfortable and efficacious treatment with the auto, so I wouldn't see it as a luxury.


How ? does a person get an effective treatment? How does a Vauto do this verses an S machine?

Is it because breathing changes through out the night, and an S machine set at certain pressures can't effectively, ones condition can change from one moment to the next? I can understand changes, but it appears Dr's don't and say "that's where the tech set you at with the machine we ordered...

I shouldn't let them order an S?..... and insist a Vauto?


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You seem to have all the answers


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optimalsleep
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I don't agree that I have all the answers. Just tryin to do my best to get the best therapy.


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LSAT wrote:
Variable pressure



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The BiPAP S isn't really that variable (even the Auto version).


What do you think of that?


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I think you should find something else to do with your time.


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so you disagree ?


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Respirator99 wrote:
optimalsleep wrote:
so convince me how a Vauto is better than S or APAP, other than algoritms.


It's not our job to convince you of anything.

The VAuto can adjust pressures (EPAP) between set limits during the night, while you sleep. The S can't do that with or without an oximeter. If a S works for you, that's great. If not, the option of a VAuto is always there.

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The amount of CA doesn't warrant ASV. Just Bilevel S.


That is not the conventional wisdom. The bilevel machines are not designed to treat central apnea. I've just been perusing your thread on another forum where all this has been discussed with you in some detail. You may need a bilevel machine for other reasons but your central apnea index of 1.25 does not warrant any special consideration and definitely not an ASV.



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You may need a bilevel machine for other reasons


variable breathing....


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A ResMed VAuto varies the pressures, while the S will not as the S is a static 2 set pressures BPAP. Which is better or which is better for you? I can't answer that, but for most people I'd think variable pressures could help therapy and comfort be better.


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how does it improve therapy?


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If you're asking about the VAuto, it can vary pressure between the settings which can address some events in a better way than the S model. In a large part again due to the fact it's not handcuffed to a single inhale and a single exhale pressure.

A person's events can vary per night, so that's where the VAuto is able to improve on the S. Think of it as in a car's transmission scenario. The S model has 2 gears while the VAuto has a CVT, a variable transmission that alters output between the setting parameters to give the best pressure per the need at that moment.


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