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MDavis
Unread post  Post subject: Using chin strap in addition to mouth guard with CPAP  |  Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:14 pm

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    I am having trouble with TMJ from chin strap and was advised to use mouth guard with chin strap. The chin strap was to help with extremely dry mouth, and it worked but then I developed TMJ. Anyone have any experience using both together?
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    TheLankyLefty
    Unread post  Post subject: Re: Using chin strap in addition to mouth guard with CPAP  |  Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:02 pm
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    Sure. This is common. You may be able to lose the chinstrap if you're using a mouth guard (depending on how the mouth guard is designed). Some mouth guards do a really good job of preventing air leakage from your mouth.

    Is the chinstrap encouraging you to clench your teeth together? Did you dentist or sleep doc tell you that you have bruxism? http://www.freecpapadvice.com/Bruxism.html

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    MDavis
    Unread post  Post subject: Re: Using chin strap in addition to mouth guard with CPAP  |  Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:02 pm

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    haven't been told that I have bruxism, but the chin strap keeps my mouth closed, but in order to stop the dry mouth, the chin strap has to be pretty tight, and that is how I developed TMJ or muscle soreness in my jaw. The mouth guard is one I got at the drugstore where you heat and mold it to your mouth. There is some, but not a lot of air loss with it when I don't use the chin strap. With the chin strap and mouth guard and CPAP I think it is better, but not enough experience with that. It just seems like overkill with mouth guard, chin strap and CPAP all together.


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    TheLankyLefty
    Unread post  Post subject: Re: Using chin strap in addition to mouth guard with CPAP  |  Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:35 pm
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    I haven't heard of anyone using both together. I'm sure others do though. I would think you could get I away with just the mouth guard. I agree that using both may be overkill....but if it works, then it's tough to argue against it.

    The TMJ is a concern though. Just for that reason alone I would be tempted to just try to use the mouth guard with CPAP alone.

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    I use a chin strap, sometimes two...but still experience mouth leak. Is there a mouth gard that will help hold my tongue in place to seal my throat. When I fall asleep my tongue drops, cheeks expand and out goes my air...I wake up many, many times at night and it is just terrible. I have been on CPAP for 6 years and it is just getting unbearable, I am losing the fight...


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    sheree wrote:
    I use a chin strap, sometimes two...but still experience mouth leak. Is there a mouth gard that will help hold my tongue in place to seal my throat. When I fall asleep my tongue drops, cheeks expand and out goes my air...I wake up many, many times at night and it is just terrible. I have been on CPAP for 6 years and it is just getting unbearable, I am losing the fight...
    There is a device that will keep the tongue in place. It's more of a bulb that you pinch, then stick your tongue in, then release. It sucks your tongue into it and keeps it from falling back into your throat. The name of it escapes me though. :oops:

    If it is your lower jaw that is sliding back, then keep in mind that your tongue will follow. So any mouth guard that keeps your jaw from sliding back will also keep your tongue out of the way. Eventually the best would be one made by a dentist. I'm a fan of proof of concept and would try a boil and bite over the counter mouth guard first just to avoid spending a bunch of money on a long term custom oral appliance.

    Has this been going on the entire time?

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    I'm a natural mouth breather and a bipap user since 1999. I've always used a chin strap and have been wondering if I can accomplish the same thing using a mouth guard. Also my dentist has mentioned my teeth are really ground down too and he has asked a couple of times if I grind - I'm not aware of it if I still do. Is it possible that I was a teeth grinder before bipap and no longer grind since using the machine?

    I googled and found your YouTube post about using a mouth guard. I'm going to try the centure martial arts 1453 - I just ordered it. If I could treat possible grinding and get off the chin strap I'd be happy. Any thoughts or recommendations?

    Thanks for the forum and all that you do to help folks with sleep disorders. I'm pretty stoked to find this site.


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    rriz wrote:
    Is it possible that I was a teeth grinder before bipap and no longer grind since using the machine?
    From what I understand about bruxism, no. That's something that you would continue to do. People with this condition in the lab continue even when CPAP is applied.

    rriz wrote:
    I've always used a chin strap and have been wondering if I can accomplish the same thing using a mouth guard.
    Yes, that's the theory I have. :)

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    I just ordered it. If I could treat possible grinding and get off the chin strap I'd be happy. Any thoughts or recommendations?
    Cool! I do think that you'll be happy. This is more of a proof of concept. If you find that it works really well, you may want to get one that's deeper and made with a different material. Best to talk to your dentist about this (after you find that it works).

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    Thanks for the forum and all that you do to help folks with sleep disorders. I'm pretty stoked to find this site.
    I'm stoked that someone is stoked to find this site! :)

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    nicholasjh1
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    I find a strechy head band (from target) to be better for keeping the mouth closed without forcing bruxism, it's also more comfortable though I still get the occaisional small mouth leak.


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